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Post by samuel on Jun 26, 2009 12:48:22 GMT -5
The main thing about a sequel is innovation. The innovated the games and added the legendaries to give the poeple more thing to do. If they only have like four legendaries like they did in the beginning people would get bored with the game, and a lot of people would start complaining that the game never changes, which I'll say now, IT NEVER CHANGES. The only thing they ever change in a game is the legendaries and an add-on of new pokemon, but with every game its the same, "Hey. Im some random kid but ill go collect gym badges and risk my life stopping a criminal organization then Ill catch the icon pokemon of this region and beat the elite four." It's like that IN EVERY GAME.
They can't just remake the game with a facelift because then they'd be wasting money. They would have successfully recreated the ENTIRE game. The could have just as easily just released the original game. The point of a remake is to add features, and legendarys are features.
I don't care because I only play pokemon until I beat the elite four then a bit after that. Then I realize I don't have a goal anymore and I don't wanna waste time catching every pokemon or trading so i put the game up and it collects dust. The only pokemon game I played for more than a week is PKMN diamond because I was in love with the GTS as a new feature. Then Platinum came around it was the same thing and I said screw it and put the game up. I had already caught all the legendaries in Diamond. They need to put all the legendaries in the remakes for two reason...
One, make their game look better so it gets better reviews from critics. Two, for the people who don't have wifi and don't have friends that love pokemon so unless they can buy another DS and a copy of whatever game they need the legendaries from, plus go to all the events they wont complete what pokemon is created for, to catch every pokemon. (which again is something critics look at)
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Post by ϟ Monster Hospital on Jun 26, 2009 14:42:27 GMT -5
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There's a problem with your argument - immense bias. You say that adding Legendaries makes things exciting. I disagree. Recycling the same Legendaries in regions where they don't belong is not innovative, it's the exact opposite. Rather than coming up with new things -- like the Notched Ear Pichu or the Pikachu-Coloured Pichu as very simple examples -- they are simply taking the easy way out and plopping things they've already made for other games into this one. Rather than Arceus creating Dialga, Palkia and Giratina in the in-game event, why not create something like Celebi? Why not create something like a Larvitar with a special egg move? Or an 'Octillery-Coloured Remoraid'? Or something we haven't seen before? Anything we haven't seen before!
If you're going to bring critics into the argument, at least know one thing. Critics are intelligent on the genre that they're critiquing. They would see the simple recycling of existing plotlines and legendaries as uncreative and, simply put, lazy. They look for improvements, not recycling. Yes, the entire game is recycled over and over with new regions and new Pokemon, but recycling the same legendaries time and time again is not innovative in the least. As I said, it's the exact opposite. A critic would see it as an easy way out, a loophole. Rather than the developers having to think of something new and exciting and innovative and unique, they're using something we've already seen. In that sense, they're not progressing forward and improving things. They're keeping where they are.
HG and SS will have more than enough new features to be considered a success. The PokeWalker, the revamped Breeding System (which potentially allows for a different physical appearance of the hatched Pokemon based upon its parents), Pokemon following you, the list goes on. There are plenty of things that already made this game unique and interesting, so it's disappointing that they are choosing to fall short of the games full potential. They have the opportunity to be brilliantly inventive with simple things like these in-game events. They're choosing not to expand the Johto region's story, but rather enhance the story of Hoenn and Sinnoh by bringing those Legendaries over.
Though I also realize my argument is filled with bias as well ;]
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Post by samuel on Jun 26, 2009 15:02:06 GMT -5
Okay ill give you that bring legendaries back is a loophole. But they had time and it probably didn't cost much of anything so they brought the legendaries back. Maybe there is a good backstory to the legendaries being there. If theres not I can see how they would have just been lazy, but if it has something to do with a plotline of some sort it's good. And heres the danger with remakes, they do too little, its just like the old game, they do to much they stray to far from the old game.
I am all out of arguement but then again, I really do not care whats in where as long as they don't take away from the plot. Meaning they add to the plot, its cool, they take away from the plot, they suck.
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Post by Affectionate Zombie on Jun 26, 2009 20:06:32 GMT -5
the revamped Breeding System, which potentially allows for a different physical appearance of the hatched Pokémon based upon its parents [/blockquote][/quote] ... Do elaborate. :O I have not heard of this.
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Post by ϟ Monster Hospital on Jun 27, 2009 2:45:06 GMT -5
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If they had the time and money they should have put it toward something new rather than recycling old, unnecessary, non-canon legendaries. Let's be real for a minute here: If they incorporate Groudon/Kyogre into the plot they're being lazy. "Lol! Let's have Team Rocket conform to all the other teams out there, and have them go after a Pokemanz that will destroy the world with drought or flooding lolz! Awesome!" It's been done, put it to rest. If you want to do something with Groudon and Kyogre so badly, wait until a Ruby and Sapphire remake! ERG. If they add nothing to the plot, they stayed true to the originals and can't technically be faulted for it. If they add stupid, unnecessary legendaries, then there are faults that are easy to pick out.
As for the breeding, nothing much has been mentioned or confirmed, though reports are floating around that if, say, you bred a Ninetales with a Ninetales, the hatched Pokémon would look different than if you had bred a Ninetales with an Arcanine, as an example [provided in both cases a Vulpix was being hatched]. I'll share info as I get it.
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Post by Affectionate Zombie on Jun 27, 2009 10:28:22 GMT -5
FFFF SO FAR AWAY.
I WILL WAIT PATIENTLY. :C!
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Post by Administrator on Jun 27, 2009 11:31:53 GMT -5
.... So, essentially if what you're predicting comes into play, there technically are gonna be Pokemon hybrids? =D At least to a possible extent with colouration or whatnot.
OMG THAT WOULD BE SO SWEET <3
Though HWOS will have an all new definition of weird.
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Post by Affectionate Zombie on Jun 27, 2009 11:50:57 GMT -5
Three words: SKITTY AND WAILORD.
I need to see this hybrid. I need to see it right now.
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Post by Administrator on Jun 27, 2009 12:10:49 GMT -5
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I guess I got the abbreviation wrong in my post but meh xD
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Post by ♥.:.RizuChan.:.♥ on Jun 27, 2009 12:37:24 GMT -5
HYBRIDS~?! IN MY POKEMANZ' GAME~?! 8DDD
Seriously, if this is true I'm gonna take breeding to a whole new level -- and probably love it along the way too.
Oh gawd, now I really can't wait until it comes out. XDD
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Post by ϟ Monster Hospital on Jun 27, 2009 18:31:40 GMT -5
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Eeee, no. No. No. No. No.
NOT HYBRIDS.
No SkittyWailord, no Venustoise, no Pikamarill.
Think of it this way:
VERSUS
Nothing incredible, but maybe a little tuft of hair here or there.
MY PERSONAL ASSUMPTION is that the Pikachu-Coloured Pichu and Notched-Ear Pichu are the first examples of these differences. Adding something like a little notch on the ear, or slightly editing the colour (note that it's not a DIFFERENT colour, it's still yellow like all Pichu) is how it'll likely play out in my opinion. Think about how many different yellow Pokemon there are. Most [if not all] have a different shade of the same colour: yellow. Basically they can recycle these different yellows on all the different yellow Pokemon. Again, this is just what I'm guessing
[/u]. It's unrealistic to assume that they're going to have nearly 500 Pokemon with several different edits to the sprites. There's no way the game could handle all the extra sprites, and frankly there are better things to do with that space on the game card. Since the colours (in my example, yellow) are already programmed in, currently they're being underutilized so this change could very simply put these colours to use, rather than on just one sprite. I'm guessing since the rumors are based around the parents, if you bred, say, a red Pokemon with a Pikachu, the Pichu would be slightly more reddish than the usual bright yellow. [/color][/size][/blockquote]
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Post by ϟ Monster Hospital on Jun 28, 2009 0:51:22 GMT -5
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Update which may or may not amount to anything!
The official Japanes website for the 12th Pokemon Movie was updated today with some new merchandise, including some keyrings. Interesting, of the 14 shown, 3 are in silhouette. The use of silhouettes has long been Pokemon's way of releasing new forms or new Pokemon, and allows for a lot of fan speculation and excitement mounting regarding what they will eventually be revealed to be. Keep in mind anything you read has not been confirmed until the 3 silhouettes have been revealed.
You can find the official page here, with the keychains about halfway down the page.
Due to the fact that Pokemon Sunday this week revealed nothing new [in case you all didn't already know this, every Sunday a show airs in Japan called Pokemon Sunday and it has been the most consistent source of gameplay information and a fair number of official releases such as the updated Sugimori art for the Johto Starters and Ho-oh and Lugia, and was where the remake was initially announced!], fans are going crazy over this little update.
Some of the theories I've heard include a new Arceus form for the first one (if you turn your head so that "11 o'clock" is at the top) it appears that it could potentially be an Arceus rearing up on hind legs and facing to the right. The second is generally believed to be an image of a Pikachu leaping to the right, almost similar to the image of Sparky in my last post. The third appears as if it could be a Raichu given the parts at the top looking like Raichu ears.
With the belief that two of the three could be part of the Pika line, some are theorizing that they all are part of the Pika line, perhaps different evolutions for the Notched Ear Pichu, with all 3 stages having notched ears.
Others speculate that these could already be 5th-Generation Pokemon, while others speculate that the colours of the 3 question marks will relate to the type or appearance of whatever Pokemon will be revealed.
A final speculation is that they may be keyrings with more than one Pokemon on them given the non-conclusive silhouettes, and could simply be three more to add to the pattern of some of the other keyrings that are shown (for example, the one with Monferno and Gliscor, or Mamoswine, Pachirisu and Buneary).
Yeah, it's slow for news so fans are grabbing at whatever little they can xD
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Post by DaeSiggil on Jun 28, 2009 7:33:37 GMT -5
One word..
Whoa *dies* It looks all so awesome *bites lip* Now I want it even more!! D=
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Post by ϟ Monster Hospital on Jul 7, 2009 1:43:56 GMT -5
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New Sugimori artwork. C: Smoochum looks sassy, and Quilava looks too much like Typhlosion D: I'm sick of crappy artwork/sprites of Skarmory, too.
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Post by Affectionate Zombie on Jul 7, 2009 10:25:22 GMT -5
Aw, I don't think Skarmory looks too bad. Some kind of SUPER-DYNAMIC ACTION POSE would'a been sweet though. I think Quilava looks pretty distinguishable from Typhlosion, too, though Typhlosion's signature "ROAAAR BADASS" face helps with that. :U;
btw, fffffffffff I love Aipom. It looks so playful and cute and mischievious and <3! Just sayin'.
Crobat also looks pretty radical.
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Post by Spiderc on Jul 7, 2009 14:13:55 GMT -5
meh, in my opinion, quilava and typhlosion have always looked pretty much the same...
i like quagsire and crobat's new artwork
and ariados and piloswine look the exact same as the old art
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Post by McBeaver on Jul 7, 2009 15:33:06 GMT -5
Sunkern is so kawaii now. :3 They really fixed him up. And I lurves the new Sugi for Noctowl. He's all "Wise Owl Does Not Approve." Hypnotically sweet.
Lanturn turned into a shameful fat-*ss. Major disappointment. And the Magby Sugi is just terrible. The Mag's line sneezes more epic-like than that. This is saddening. THIS! IS! SPARTA!
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Post by Affectionate Zombie on Jul 7, 2009 18:27:16 GMT -5
what do you have against fat pokemon huh? huh? :C somewhere a lantern weeps, and a lantern morph stares disapprovingly and shamefully at themselves in the mirror
do you see what you do
i agree with you spidey, quagsire and crobat look like cool cats, and then ariados (WHICH IS INCIDENTALLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE POKEMON EVER GAW) and piloswine don't look any different at all ffffffff
also i just realized this, but... that politoed. D: it is so freaking cute, oh my gosh. and the smeargle too aaaaaaaaah
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Post by ϟ Monster Hospital on Jul 7, 2009 18:31:04 GMT -5
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Ariados is one of my favourites, too. Very disappointed. I do like the Politoed and Quagsire is sweeeet!
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Post by ϟ Monster Hospital on Jul 9, 2009 16:50:49 GMT -5
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Unconfirmed reports are coming in recently. What I'm about to say I am very skeptical of myself, however I think we should keep this thread as up-to-date with anything and everything HG/SS.
Reported by play-asia.com (as website where lots of Americans/non-Japanese people import games when they're released in Japan before being released elsewhere), following the main adventure you will not only travel to Kanto, but to Hoenn as well. This plays off of the fact that Kyogre is catchable in HG and Groudon in SS. THIS IS 100% UNCONFIRMED. The website claims that Hoenn will also include a Gym Leader named "Lunah" and a new character named "Sakura" who is a gardening enthusiast. This raises a lot of questions about the timeline, seeing as G/S/C happened three years after R/B/Y, and R/S/E is said to have happened at the same time as R/B/Y. Therefore, it is easy to assume that this will be Hoenn three years after what we know it to be from R/S/E.
AGAIN, THIS IS 100% UNCONFIRMED BY ANY SOURCE OTHER THAN PLAY-ASIA.
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